The greater Israel land theft project rolls on. You can even see the IDF troops wearing the expanded Israel land area patches on their shoulders. Did you all know to this day Israel refuses to acknowledge its borders? And you all thought Israel was fighting terrorism? No that’s the excuse given to snow the sheep into supporting genocide. The truth is the US and Israel are by far the largest terrorists in the world. Anyone who stands up to our tyranny is labeled a terrorist. Figured it out yet?
Synagogue of Satan - I get it . Gods not done with Israel. This entire dialogue of who is Jewish is filled with ambiguity. You realize there are European Jews, safardic Jews, Jews in India- they have been scattered. I’d be more concerned about what you think a Palestinian is. There is no such people group. Anymore than I’m ethnic Cali.I will look at this project; I’ll probably be hitting the buzzer inside 5 min. I know how this works. I will support the nation of Israel with a Hameas gun to my head. That’s my conviction grounded on the
Word. Were there bad , ethnic Jews in Christ time . Absolutely. That’s the context of that Rev 3:9 passage to the church at Sardis. You realize there are entire church in Paul’s time was primarily Jewish.
In Paul's time some may have been semitic not having mixed with other nations. Convert to Judaism and then called a Jew. Does that change your DNA? Many Ethiopians converted to Judaism thousands of years ago but are treated as second class citizens in Israel so maybe there is a difference. How then can you call a people who have occupied Palastine for millenia anything but Palestinians
The sojourner could become a Jew (not ethnically of course) but welcomed as a brother if they desired to leave under the decrees/ laws God set for for the Israelites. This forshadows the inclusion of Gentiles prophesied later in OT.
Quite simply, ethnic Jews were there before any ‘Palestinian’. In fact , the first people to be ‘Palestinian’, were Jews! Well documented, but doesn’t fit today’s narrative. Do you know where the name came from? Israel was renamed Palestina in first century by Roman Emporer Hadrian to mock the Jewish people
Johns Hopkins some years ago did a DNA study of Israel and Palestine and found 97.5% of the people in Israel had no ties to the ancient land. However, around 80% of the palis had ties to the land. And guess who is trying to suppress that study now? I find it quite ironic that fake ashkenazi jews are not semites yet throw out that term at every chance they get when called out on doing something wrong and desperately trying to discredit someone for actually calling them out and holding them accountable. Yet the fake non semitic people are genociding the actual semites! So that means the Israelis are the actual anti-semites! You can’t make it up.
Thank You. Most intelligent comment on this board. I have seen the same study and followed genealogy for 40+ years. They "Jews" committing the genocide in Gaza are not Gods chosen people.
Well, I could agree with that. Look at Soros and his legacy. My question is this. Suppose that study is true and there are no real Jews in the land- actually an admitted 2% by that study. Do real Jews per your satisfaction have rights to the land? If so, given to them by whom?
Israel ( a people not a place) was scattered and God told them they would not remember who they are. Most of them are in the Christian nations today. Although you wouldn’t know it by their behavior! His people are destroyed for lack of knowledge.
When the people left Egypt and then crossed the Jordan were there others there or not?
As part of the covenant was the right to live in the land included? Did the Assyrians and then the Babylonians take them into captivity after they broke the covenant with God?
Was there other people living among the deposed Israelites from that time forward?
In that case a land renamed Palestine that had jews and Arabs and Christians in it the occupants would all be Palestinians
For the most part, that would be correct. Others were there and God commanded the Israelites to drive out/ destroy the pagan peoples; all the ‘ites’ from the land of milk and honey; promised land. Then the dispersions as you mentioned. Yet always a Jewish presence. FF to Roman rule and temple destruction/ time is Christ. The Christians at that time were basically Jews- converts from the law. The new covenant being Grace. The fallacy/ hypocrisy comes with the argument that those you mentioned in the land have a direct correlation with those the world calls Palestinians today. No correlation at all. The Philistines came from Gaza(David and Goliath) They were utterly destroyed as were other pagan tribes.And that’s my point; who are the so called occupiers? Now, are there any descendants of Arabs/ Bedouins from 40’s? Probably, but very minute. There are ethnic Arabs in the Knesset. If it’s just a land with a bunch of diverse people from everywhere, who does it ultimately belong to? 48’ basically made that clear. Nobody wanted the Jews after WW2. Israel was a basic wasteland- even Mark Twain stated that. However, through the God ordained dispersions, and the different takeovers through the millennia, a Jewish presence has always remained. Even if every single Jew was dispersed, whose land is it? That’s what I’m alluding to. Yes the Israelites as a nation disobeyed God. But He promised, according to His Word, to bring them back, but through great diress. They are in unbelief. Now this brings us to the very peculiar prophecy of Daniel and the seventy weeks. 69 have been fulfilled- one week remains; the 70th week where God returns His focus to the nation Israel and saves a believing remnant. This corresponds to what we read in Rev 6-19 known as the Great Tribulation/ Time of Jacob’s trouble ie. 70th week. Sorry- too much to text but I think we might agree more than not. Would love to sit down man to man and discuss further if interested. That’s called koinania (Grk) Probably familiar with that term. Be blessed this evening
Ok Thank you for that. I listened to the beginning and what this finance minister apparently said. My question is this- do you call yourself a Bible believing Christian? If not you may know much of the Bible as many atheists do. Are you familiar with the Torah(first 5 books), Gods covenant with Abraham and what are the chosen people of God. I realize many cults and a good portion of the church thinks they’re the chosen ones. While there is an application, God specifically chose the Jewish people. Christ came through a specific Jewish line of genealogy. Having said that, in Joshua after Moses lost his favor to go into the land, are you aware of all the land God was going to give to the Israelites that they never possessed? This is probably what this greater Israel project is. Now, do I believe that Israel should just go in and take it? No. They’re trying to survive in their small parcel the size of New Jersey. But that is biblical truth- if they never possess it, Gods a liar. Obviously that can’t happen. Now what? Has to be yet future. In fact the New Jeruselam that comes from the skies will be placed over that ‘greater Israel’ ( as you mention) and will be a 1500 mile cube. Think of that. Measure from Beriut, Netanyya anywhere around Israel from the Mediterranean Sea eastward 1500miles; then go north and south. Again, if this is not true, the Bible is as, any humanist would beleive, pure fiction. Pie in the sky logic. I obviously disagree
Not so much scattered as conversion.The scattering happened eons ago.The closest people to the Jews of the Torah are Palestinian Jews.23&Me not allowed in Israel.Truth is we are all mongrels especially us Caucasions.Bibi was born in Pennsylvania I believe.
We as Gentile believers are grafted into their (Israel’s) story. Again Romans 9-11. We are not the natural branches. That belongs to the Jew, always has, always will. Doesn’t make them superior to any other soul, but the uniqueness is God’s design. Yes, we pray for the lost of mankind, as well as the nation Israel (peace of Jerusalem) and the promised remnant. And we look for Christ’s visible return and reigning rule from Jerusalem, where we rule with Him. Rev 20
You remind me of my friend of 70 years,Tim.Dispensationalist theology.To be honest I am somewhat conflicted on your{and Tim's) beliefs.I admit that there was a special relationship between the Father and the Jews,"was" being the operative word for me.I also admit that I very much appreciate Messianic Jewish believers.At the same time I don't appreciate the Zionist aura of supremacy and blasphemous remarks and then there's their brutal treatment of the indigenous population.Hard for me to ignore that.
I get that. As you know, man is sinful by nature. Our leaders and military have done the same, agreed? Tim and I would probably see eye to eye on this issue today. The mistake many in the church make is that a covenant God made with His chosen people was not/will not be broken. Many passages refer this physical restoration of the nation God created and chose. My favorite is Jer. 29-31. Believe me, my brother in law is staunch Calvinist. Love him, but his hermeneutical approach is lacking, imo, due to his reformed belief. The new covenant of Grace replaced the covenant of law. The law is forever. The Lord Christ did not come to abolish the law, but to fulfill it!Today’s church, (mostly apostate), carries the same disobedience that God warned the Israelites of old about. Deut. 28. But His covenant and promises remain. I want to leave you with one last thought- God promised Israel lands that are far greater than geographical Israel today. Israel never occupied (big pun) lands promised. Read Joshua. God has either lied or this will be yet future. I’ve tried to explain this here, but the ears refuse to hear. I pray you continue to seek Him and His truth/Scripture and He WILL give you understanding according to His Wisdom. Proverbs 3:5-6 May God richly bless and keep you.
I agree that God gave them a land after the return of the Messiah.The land that is called Israel today was gifted by the UK{Balfour Declaration},not God.The main thing we see in todays Israel is the spirit of the antichrist as identified in 1John 4:3.Thanks for your address.I find our interchange stimulating to this old man.
No such thing as a Palestinian?Unbelievable statement especially in the light of modern history.Golda Meier believed there was a Palestine.Your statement on "ethnicity" left out a lot.Many of the Palestinians confined to Gaza and the West bank are Palestinian Jews.Are they Jewish??LOL.I guess not.I saw a video of a real Holocaust Survivor condemning the slaughter.He felt that the Israeli treatment of the Palestinians constituted blasphemy against the memory of the victims of that subhuman slaughter.I would also point out that a population under apartheid occupation by a militarily more advanced population are much more likely to resort to assymetric warfare/terrorism.The collective punishment administered by the IDF has been even more egregious with 70% of their victims being women and children.And then there's the insanity of the "Hannibal Directive".
I'm honest enough to post under my name and believe in the rightness of my position.I bear no malice to any group or any person.About the only group I have a continuous distrust of is politicians and banksters.
You want to have serious dialogue about this? I’m in. But I don’t think you care to take that road. I don’t hide, but I stay low-key. My real name is not here like 90% of these posters. Why would it be? What’s your point? Give me some contact and I’ll do the same. Problem is that a large portion of narratives are getting blown up, and people naturally react to that. Covid? Central Banks? 9/11? JFK? Billions of years? Science? Israel? You follow? That’s where I stand and we might just have to disagree, which we obviously do. You say you follow a Jewish carpenter- great. Do you read His letter/Word to mankind? Like I said; I’m all in. Find a way. BTW- if you’re referring to Norman Finklestein or Blumenthal etc., I’d continue with more research. Don’t believe much/any of what those guys share ideologically. It sure isn’t truth. What is truth? Who owns it? Where does truth originate?
Our religious beliefs are quite disparate.My beliefs are centered naturally around the words of Christ and not the corrupted false teachers like Hagee,Copeland,Paula White and TD Jakes.Here is a video of an Israeli minister::https://youtu.be/qO1lgIvLaeQ
While I agree with those you name as false teachers/ Word faith crowd, I put in that category those who subscribe to a replacement theology; the Church replaces Israel. Just not scriptural. Without knowing much of this guy you linked to, I would say that is his position. Funny that is same position of Vatican. Reject that completely Gen 12:3, Romans 11, 70th week of Daniel, Rev 6-19 to name a few
In the Old Testament the name Israel referred to God's people,not a piece of land.Indeed Israel was held captive in Egypt and Persia.The land occupied by the Jewish people was called Palestina by the Roman conquerors.The religion of Judaism as documented in the Torah doesn't appear to be practiced today and I recently heard that DNA tests are prohibited in Israel.I have observed that there are many modern Jews that mostly look like Caucasians but there are Asian and Black Jews as well.The Ethiopian Jews were not well received in Israel.Closest humans to Jews of the Old Testament are probably those Palestinian Jews that Trump and Bibi Bubba wants to relocate to the Desert.I would hasten to add that the most vociferous condemnations of Israeli treatment of the Palestinians comes from many Jewish intellectuals and Holocaust Survivors who are now my heroes.My God was a Jewish carpenter and He condemned hate.
Yes, Christ laid out His view of hate in the Olivet discourse. The first people known as Palestinian were Jews as a form of mockery. No people group has ever existed. Today’s so called ‘palestinians’ hate Jews. The convenience of clinging to this narrative that Jews in Israel are not Jewish is laughable. Yet the whole mission of these refugees in West Bank and Gaza is to eliminate/murder everyone in Israel. It’s funny that the Pali’s consider them Jews. And want them dead. Can you explain that? There is no justification that is remotely logical. So, not sure what carpenter you’re following. ‘Many will come in My name’ rings a bell.
Do some research. Look up the Greater Israel project and you will see that the RIGHT SIDE OF HISTORY COMMENT IS CORRECT. Just saying. Did you also know that it is illegal for people in Israel to research the ancestry there bloodlines. They don’t want the general population to know that the majority are not even Jews. What they are doing to the Palestinian people is definitely GENOCIDE and or Ethnic Cleansing.
Read the book of revelation
“Behold, I will make those of the synagogue of Satan who say that they are Jews and are not, but lie—behold, I will make them come and bow down before your feet, and they will learn that I have loved you.”
No nerve struck dude. That’s some arrogance. I go with scripture. It’s there for all to read. Your stance will lead to a dead end on this matter. Just saying. I can tell you that road has a bridge out, but you’re free to continue. I’m just baffled at all this anti semetic; zionistic effort to control the world. It’s pure garbage. I do agree the atrocities of this nation and condemn the same. That was not its founding. And that’s Americas problem. Still faithful in what we can become if we get back on track. From our founding and the freedoms our constitution has given to all citizenzens/people. It’s pretty simple, as Greg would say. We make it hard
Thank you not calling me a liar. Every single thing I typed is true. Here is some educational material on who gods chosen really are as the church misleads everyone especially with those behind things such as the Schofield bible.
I thank you and I willlook at it out of respect. However, when it disagrees with my hermeneutical approach to scripture, I will agree to disagree. Fair enough? I think the church, in general, has taken such a detour from scripture, yet all prophesied. Example- that episcopal lesbian bishop from inauguration ceremony. Do you think she speaks scriptural truth. I would hope not. This matter would take hours of discussion. I would be game, but not sure most want to dive that deep. What else can I say?
Sounds like you need a history lesson. You should really research that topic. Then you would realize how ridiculous you sound and please don’t reference the Bible. If you’re a Christian what’s been going on there for quite some time should be abhorrent to you.
I am a Christian and I know my Bible and from what I gather those people have no claim whatsoever to that land.
There was this thing called a covenant/contract and they broke their part of it.
The other party being God was under no obligation to uphold his part and had them extricated from his land by means of the Assyrians and the Babylonians.
The Persians did allow them to rebuild the land but they remained under occupation for the next 2000 years until 48. Then they took the land by force not by the authority of God. They broke the old covenant and refuse the new covenant so tell me why God owes them anything.
Revalation 2:9 - I know your afflictions and your poverty—yet you are rich! I know about the slander of THOSE WHO SAY THEY ARE JEWS AND ARE NOT, but are a SYNAGOGUE OF SATAN.
I’m aware of the stance and it’s simply not true. Gods convents cannot be broken. You obviously don’t take scripture in its context; to be taken literal unless conveyed otherwise
God is fully capable and trustworthy to uphold his part of the covenant but ancient Israel broke their part. Why do you think there is a NEW covenant and one that is called better? Those people and every other on the planet are welcome to join this new covenant.
Why did Jesus tell his JEWISH disciples " I make with you a new covenant "?
God's promises to Israel are contingent upon them accepting their Messiah, whom Moses prophesied about before he died. When Jesus returns he will save a remnant of Israel. Jews must accept Jesus, the same as gentiles, to inherit eternal life. "There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus." Galatians 3:28 KJV
To ancient Israel it wasn't about the savior since it wasn't part of the covenant. There were blessings God would give them but there was never a way to salvation. That is why the new covenant is called the better. They broke the rules of the old covenant.
I dont need any detailed knowledge of covenants or be Christian to know that mass murder is wrong. When the boot's on your neck, you fight back. Israeli state was created by the west so they could eventually take over the entire Middle east, period. Thats whats goin on here, anybody who can rationalize this is evil & horribly sick.
I agree, the current Israeli government has stated that they consider the Babylonian Talmud as their national religious book. The Talmud teaches witchcraft or how to manipulate other people. It also teaches that the goyim or gentiles are inferior to themselves.
Just because a comment is made that conflicts with another doesn't make anyone an enemy. Individuals decide that - and no one here is doing that except you right here.
Then your comment is ill placed. It’s not for me, by your logic, it should be towards the person I was responding to. “Anyone who can rationalize (my opinion) is evil and horribly sick.” Really? Incredible
I could and will say the same to you. Why wouldn’t a follower of Christ reference Gods Word? The issue is hermeneuticaland proper exegesis. That’s a flag to me right there. What’s the source of your truth or what is truth in general. Is truth absolute?
Nice John Taylor. I could care less about the thumb up/down. You don’t know me. I don’t know you. Should I respond in fashion? How about civility- after all, this is an economic forum, right?
Right- except for Jews/Zionists and monsters like me. But I’m sure there’s no hypocrisy there. Doesn’t Greg say-“love, care and be charitable to one another.” The irony is so obtuse.
Get your facts straight buddy boy there's only Kharzarian zionists or Hebrews. Insults don't conform to Greg's "Love, care and be charitable to another."
Demolished the Gaza strip to build beachfront property. Just like California (fires), and just like Lahaina (fires). Right in our faces. Like what you gonna do about it...nothing
When trump went to CA he only went to Palisades, apparently he didn’t even fly over Altadena. Maybe the incentive to go to CA was the arial view for scouting for west coast maralogo resort.
If correct, this is absolutely despicable. Who is advising him? He is becoming a fool that will end up being a dupe associated with the genocide the IDF has perpetrated. Worse yet, American troops will be patsies and attacked as the USS Liberty was. Of course this will put us on a direct course to support Israel in a war with Iran.
The peace president will be the genocide president. The good will he’s developed will disappear. Incredibly stupid.
Wants Greenland, Canada, Panama canal, Gaza . Can you say dictator. Where is all this money coming from . And I don't know his best friends are all of sudden the billionaires. As Greg has said before they will own it all.
That made me sick seeing Netanyahu, that murderous, criminal, genocidal maniac with his shit-eating grin -- in our country!! Trump is an ass kowtowing to that POS. Israel is NOT our friend!! Remember the USS Liberty!!
The greater Israel land theft project rolls on. You can even see the IDF troops wearing the expanded Israel land area patches on their shoulders. Did you all know to this day Israel refuses to acknowledge its borders? And you all thought Israel was fighting terrorism? No that’s the excuse given to snow the sheep into supporting genocide. The truth is the US and Israel are by far the largest terrorists in the world. Anyone who stands up to our tyranny is labeled a terrorist. Figured it out yet?
Synagogue of Satan - I get it . Gods not done with Israel. This entire dialogue of who is Jewish is filled with ambiguity. You realize there are European Jews, safardic Jews, Jews in India- they have been scattered. I’d be more concerned about what you think a Palestinian is. There is no such people group. Anymore than I’m ethnic Cali.I will look at this project; I’ll probably be hitting the buzzer inside 5 min. I know how this works. I will support the nation of Israel with a Hameas gun to my head. That’s my conviction grounded on the
Word. Were there bad , ethnic Jews in Christ time . Absolutely. That’s the context of that Rev 3:9 passage to the church at Sardis. You realize there are entire church in Paul’s time was primarily Jewish.
In Paul's time some may have been semitic not having mixed with other nations. Convert to Judaism and then called a Jew. Does that change your DNA? Many Ethiopians converted to Judaism thousands of years ago but are treated as second class citizens in Israel so maybe there is a difference. How then can you call a people who have occupied Palastine for millenia anything but Palestinians
There's only Khazar zionists and hebrews.
The sojourner could become a Jew (not ethnically of course) but welcomed as a brother if they desired to leave under the decrees/ laws God set for for the Israelites. This forshadows the inclusion of Gentiles prophesied later in OT.
Quite simply, ethnic Jews were there before any ‘Palestinian’. In fact , the first people to be ‘Palestinian’, were Jews! Well documented, but doesn’t fit today’s narrative. Do you know where the name came from? Israel was renamed Palestina in first century by Roman Emporer Hadrian to mock the Jewish people
Johns Hopkins some years ago did a DNA study of Israel and Palestine and found 97.5% of the people in Israel had no ties to the ancient land. However, around 80% of the palis had ties to the land. And guess who is trying to suppress that study now? I find it quite ironic that fake ashkenazi jews are not semites yet throw out that term at every chance they get when called out on doing something wrong and desperately trying to discredit someone for actually calling them out and holding them accountable. Yet the fake non semitic people are genociding the actual semites! So that means the Israelis are the actual anti-semites! You can’t make it up.
Thank You. Most intelligent comment on this board. I have seen the same study and followed genealogy for 40+ years. They "Jews" committing the genocide in Gaza are not Gods chosen people.
Well, I could agree with that. Look at Soros and his legacy. My question is this. Suppose that study is true and there are no real Jews in the land- actually an admitted 2% by that study. Do real Jews per your satisfaction have rights to the land? If so, given to them by whom?
Israel ( a people not a place) was scattered and God told them they would not remember who they are. Most of them are in the Christian nations today. Although you wouldn’t know it by their behavior! His people are destroyed for lack of knowledge.
When the people left Egypt and then crossed the Jordan were there others there or not?
As part of the covenant was the right to live in the land included? Did the Assyrians and then the Babylonians take them into captivity after they broke the covenant with God?
Was there other people living among the deposed Israelites from that time forward?
In that case a land renamed Palestine that had jews and Arabs and Christians in it the occupants would all be Palestinians
For the most part, that would be correct. Others were there and God commanded the Israelites to drive out/ destroy the pagan peoples; all the ‘ites’ from the land of milk and honey; promised land. Then the dispersions as you mentioned. Yet always a Jewish presence. FF to Roman rule and temple destruction/ time is Christ. The Christians at that time were basically Jews- converts from the law. The new covenant being Grace. The fallacy/ hypocrisy comes with the argument that those you mentioned in the land have a direct correlation with those the world calls Palestinians today. No correlation at all. The Philistines came from Gaza(David and Goliath) They were utterly destroyed as were other pagan tribes.And that’s my point; who are the so called occupiers? Now, are there any descendants of Arabs/ Bedouins from 40’s? Probably, but very minute. There are ethnic Arabs in the Knesset. If it’s just a land with a bunch of diverse people from everywhere, who does it ultimately belong to? 48’ basically made that clear. Nobody wanted the Jews after WW2. Israel was a basic wasteland- even Mark Twain stated that. However, through the God ordained dispersions, and the different takeovers through the millennia, a Jewish presence has always remained. Even if every single Jew was dispersed, whose land is it? That’s what I’m alluding to. Yes the Israelites as a nation disobeyed God. But He promised, according to His Word, to bring them back, but through great diress. They are in unbelief. Now this brings us to the very peculiar prophecy of Daniel and the seventy weeks. 69 have been fulfilled- one week remains; the 70th week where God returns His focus to the nation Israel and saves a believing remnant. This corresponds to what we read in Rev 6-19 known as the Great Tribulation/ Time of Jacob’s trouble ie. 70th week. Sorry- too much to text but I think we might agree more than not. Would love to sit down man to man and discuss further if interested. That’s called koinania (Grk) Probably familiar with that term. Be blessed this evening
Here is a 5 minute clip with some. Some info on greater Israel project. https://t.me/gregreesevideoreports/530
Ok Thank you for that. I listened to the beginning and what this finance minister apparently said. My question is this- do you call yourself a Bible believing Christian? If not you may know much of the Bible as many atheists do. Are you familiar with the Torah(first 5 books), Gods covenant with Abraham and what are the chosen people of God. I realize many cults and a good portion of the church thinks they’re the chosen ones. While there is an application, God specifically chose the Jewish people. Christ came through a specific Jewish line of genealogy. Having said that, in Joshua after Moses lost his favor to go into the land, are you aware of all the land God was going to give to the Israelites that they never possessed? This is probably what this greater Israel project is. Now, do I believe that Israel should just go in and take it? No. They’re trying to survive in their small parcel the size of New Jersey. But that is biblical truth- if they never possess it, Gods a liar. Obviously that can’t happen. Now what? Has to be yet future. In fact the New Jeruselam that comes from the skies will be placed over that ‘greater Israel’ ( as you mention) and will be a 1500 mile cube. Think of that. Measure from Beriut, Netanyya anywhere around Israel from the Mediterranean Sea eastward 1500miles; then go north and south. Again, if this is not true, the Bible is as, any humanist would beleive, pure fiction. Pie in the sky logic. I obviously disagree
Not so much scattered as conversion.The scattering happened eons ago.The closest people to the Jews of the Torah are Palestinian Jews.23&Me not allowed in Israel.Truth is we are all mongrels especially us Caucasions.Bibi was born in Pennsylvania I believe.
We as Gentile believers are grafted into their (Israel’s) story. Again Romans 9-11. We are not the natural branches. That belongs to the Jew, always has, always will. Doesn’t make them superior to any other soul, but the uniqueness is God’s design. Yes, we pray for the lost of mankind, as well as the nation Israel (peace of Jerusalem) and the promised remnant. And we look for Christ’s visible return and reigning rule from Jerusalem, where we rule with Him. Rev 20
You remind me of my friend of 70 years,Tim.Dispensationalist theology.To be honest I am somewhat conflicted on your{and Tim's) beliefs.I admit that there was a special relationship between the Father and the Jews,"was" being the operative word for me.I also admit that I very much appreciate Messianic Jewish believers.At the same time I don't appreciate the Zionist aura of supremacy and blasphemous remarks and then there's their brutal treatment of the indigenous population.Hard for me to ignore that.
I get that. As you know, man is sinful by nature. Our leaders and military have done the same, agreed? Tim and I would probably see eye to eye on this issue today. The mistake many in the church make is that a covenant God made with His chosen people was not/will not be broken. Many passages refer this physical restoration of the nation God created and chose. My favorite is Jer. 29-31. Believe me, my brother in law is staunch Calvinist. Love him, but his hermeneutical approach is lacking, imo, due to his reformed belief. The new covenant of Grace replaced the covenant of law. The law is forever. The Lord Christ did not come to abolish the law, but to fulfill it!Today’s church, (mostly apostate), carries the same disobedience that God warned the Israelites of old about. Deut. 28. But His covenant and promises remain. I want to leave you with one last thought- God promised Israel lands that are far greater than geographical Israel today. Israel never occupied (big pun) lands promised. Read Joshua. God has either lied or this will be yet future. I’ve tried to explain this here, but the ears refuse to hear. I pray you continue to seek Him and His truth/Scripture and He WILL give you understanding according to His Wisdom. Proverbs 3:5-6 May God richly bless and keep you.
Scott -lefty73063@yahoo.com if you ever want to delve further. In Christ alone
I agree that God gave them a land after the return of the Messiah.The land that is called Israel today was gifted by the UK{Balfour Declaration},not God.The main thing we see in todays Israel is the spirit of the antichrist as identified in 1John 4:3.Thanks for your address.I find our interchange stimulating to this old man.
No such thing as a Palestinian?Unbelievable statement especially in the light of modern history.Golda Meier believed there was a Palestine.Your statement on "ethnicity" left out a lot.Many of the Palestinians confined to Gaza and the West bank are Palestinian Jews.Are they Jewish??LOL.I guess not.I saw a video of a real Holocaust Survivor condemning the slaughter.He felt that the Israeli treatment of the Palestinians constituted blasphemy against the memory of the victims of that subhuman slaughter.I would also point out that a population under apartheid occupation by a militarily more advanced population are much more likely to resort to assymetric warfare/terrorism.The collective punishment administered by the IDF has been even more egregious with 70% of their victims being women and children.And then there's the insanity of the "Hannibal Directive".
I'm honest enough to post under my name and believe in the rightness of my position.I bear no malice to any group or any person.About the only group I have a continuous distrust of is politicians and banksters.
I would agree, mostly, with this post. Some common ground. 👍
You want to have serious dialogue about this? I’m in. But I don’t think you care to take that road. I don’t hide, but I stay low-key. My real name is not here like 90% of these posters. Why would it be? What’s your point? Give me some contact and I’ll do the same. Problem is that a large portion of narratives are getting blown up, and people naturally react to that. Covid? Central Banks? 9/11? JFK? Billions of years? Science? Israel? You follow? That’s where I stand and we might just have to disagree, which we obviously do. You say you follow a Jewish carpenter- great. Do you read His letter/Word to mankind? Like I said; I’m all in. Find a way. BTW- if you’re referring to Norman Finklestein or Blumenthal etc., I’d continue with more research. Don’t believe much/any of what those guys share ideologically. It sure isn’t truth. What is truth? Who owns it? Where does truth originate?
Our religious beliefs are quite disparate.My beliefs are centered naturally around the words of Christ and not the corrupted false teachers like Hagee,Copeland,Paula White and TD Jakes.Here is a video of an Israeli minister::https://youtu.be/qO1lgIvLaeQ
While I agree with those you name as false teachers/ Word faith crowd, I put in that category those who subscribe to a replacement theology; the Church replaces Israel. Just not scriptural. Without knowing much of this guy you linked to, I would say that is his position. Funny that is same position of Vatican. Reject that completely Gen 12:3, Romans 11, 70th week of Daniel, Rev 6-19 to name a few
In the Old Testament the name Israel referred to God's people,not a piece of land.Indeed Israel was held captive in Egypt and Persia.The land occupied by the Jewish people was called Palestina by the Roman conquerors.The religion of Judaism as documented in the Torah doesn't appear to be practiced today and I recently heard that DNA tests are prohibited in Israel.I have observed that there are many modern Jews that mostly look like Caucasians but there are Asian and Black Jews as well.The Ethiopian Jews were not well received in Israel.Closest humans to Jews of the Old Testament are probably those Palestinian Jews that Trump and Bibi Bubba wants to relocate to the Desert.I would hasten to add that the most vociferous condemnations of Israeli treatment of the Palestinians comes from many Jewish intellectuals and Holocaust Survivors who are now my heroes.My God was a Jewish carpenter and He condemned hate.
Yes, Christ laid out His view of hate in the Olivet discourse. The first people known as Palestinian were Jews as a form of mockery. No people group has ever existed. Today’s so called ‘palestinians’ hate Jews. The convenience of clinging to this narrative that Jews in Israel are not Jewish is laughable. Yet the whole mission of these refugees in West Bank and Gaza is to eliminate/murder everyone in Israel. It’s funny that the Pali’s consider them Jews. And want them dead. Can you explain that? There is no justification that is remotely logical. So, not sure what carpenter you’re following. ‘Many will come in My name’ rings a bell.
Absolute cow dung. Sorry your history is that messed up.
Do some research. Look up the Greater Israel project and you will see that the RIGHT SIDE OF HISTORY COMMENT IS CORRECT. Just saying. Did you also know that it is illegal for people in Israel to research the ancestry there bloodlines. They don’t want the general population to know that the majority are not even Jews. What they are doing to the Palestinian people is definitely GENOCIDE and or Ethnic Cleansing.
Read the book of revelation
“Behold, I will make those of the synagogue of Satan who say that they are Jews and are not, but lie—behold, I will make them come and bow down before your feet, and they will learn that I have loved you.”
Revelation 3:9 ESV
https://bible.com/bible/59/rev.3.9.ESV.
Struck a nerve did I? Educate us all then wise one. We all want to hear the hasbara.
No nerve struck dude. That’s some arrogance. I go with scripture. It’s there for all to read. Your stance will lead to a dead end on this matter. Just saying. I can tell you that road has a bridge out, but you’re free to continue. I’m just baffled at all this anti semetic; zionistic effort to control the world. It’s pure garbage. I do agree the atrocities of this nation and condemn the same. That was not its founding. And that’s Americas problem. Still faithful in what we can become if we get back on track. From our founding and the freedoms our constitution has given to all citizenzens/people. It’s pretty simple, as Greg would say. We make it hard
Thank you not calling me a liar. Every single thing I typed is true. Here is some educational material on who gods chosen really are as the church misleads everyone especially with those behind things such as the Schofield bible.
https://www.bitchute.com/video/41g95tA3clTR
I thank you and I willlook at it out of respect. However, when it disagrees with my hermeneutical approach to scripture, I will agree to disagree. Fair enough? I think the church, in general, has taken such a detour from scripture, yet all prophesied. Example- that episcopal lesbian bishop from inauguration ceremony. Do you think she speaks scriptural truth. I would hope not. This matter would take hours of discussion. I would be game, but not sure most want to dive that deep. What else can I say?
Unforgivable genocide
And more Bull Shit from Trump...
And Trump will buy Greenland...LOL
https://www.cnn.com/2025/01/23/world/video/anders-vistisen-denmark-greenland-trump-ebof-digvid
By Hamas and refugees in Gaza that want the death to Israel? Then Yes , I agree.
Sounds like you need a history lesson. You should really research that topic. Then you would realize how ridiculous you sound and please don’t reference the Bible. If you’re a Christian what’s been going on there for quite some time should be abhorrent to you.
I am a Christian and I know my Bible and from what I gather those people have no claim whatsoever to that land.
There was this thing called a covenant/contract and they broke their part of it.
The other party being God was under no obligation to uphold his part and had them extricated from his land by means of the Assyrians and the Babylonians.
The Persians did allow them to rebuild the land but they remained under occupation for the next 2000 years until 48. Then they took the land by force not by the authority of God. They broke the old covenant and refuse the new covenant so tell me why God owes them anything.
I'm with you, Dan T.
Revalation 2:9 - I know your afflictions and your poverty—yet you are rich! I know about the slander of THOSE WHO SAY THEY ARE JEWS AND ARE NOT, but are a SYNAGOGUE OF SATAN.
Know it well . That’s not a complete abandonedment of the Jews and the nation Israel. Romans 11
Certainly not.
All Israel will be saved I have read but for the time being they are ANTI CHRIST.
What does the Bible say about that?
They will come around in God's good time but for now they are the most blood thirsty of sinners.
It's funny how the Covenant between the Jews and God is never mentioned. Maybe it has something to do with the Scofield Reverence Biblle.
I’m aware of the stance and it’s simply not true. Gods convents cannot be broken. You obviously don’t take scripture in its context; to be taken literal unless conveyed otherwise
God is fully capable and trustworthy to uphold his part of the covenant but ancient Israel broke their part. Why do you think there is a NEW covenant and one that is called better? Those people and every other on the planet are welcome to join this new covenant.
Why did Jesus tell his JEWISH disciples " I make with you a new covenant "?
He didn't say a additional covenant.
So who takes what out of context?
Amen! New Covenant, the old has been abolished. God put the final stamp on that in 70AD destroying Jerusalem and the temple.
God's promises to Israel are contingent upon them accepting their Messiah, whom Moses prophesied about before he died. When Jesus returns he will save a remnant of Israel. Jews must accept Jesus, the same as gentiles, to inherit eternal life. "There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus." Galatians 3:28 KJV
To ancient Israel it wasn't about the savior since it wasn't part of the covenant. There were blessings God would give them but there was never a way to salvation. That is why the new covenant is called the better. They broke the rules of the old covenant.
I agree wholeheartedly. Romans 11
I dont need any detailed knowledge of covenants or be Christian to know that mass murder is wrong. When the boot's on your neck, you fight back. Israeli state was created by the west so they could eventually take over the entire Middle east, period. Thats whats goin on here, anybody who can rationalize this is evil & horribly sick.
I agree, the current Israeli government has stated that they consider the Babylonian Talmud as their national religious book. The Talmud teaches witchcraft or how to manipulate other people. It also teaches that the goyim or gentiles are inferior to themselves.
And that’s your conclusion. I guess you’ll have to count me as the enemy in your words. Should I leave the country?
Just because a comment is made that conflicts with another doesn't make anyone an enemy. Individuals decide that - and no one here is doing that except you right here.
Then your comment is ill placed. It’s not for me, by your logic, it should be towards the person I was responding to. “Anyone who can rationalize (my opinion) is evil and horribly sick.” Really? Incredible
Christian your allegiance is to Christ; not faux israel
Preach!!
Scofield Prophecy Wrongly Dividing The Word Of Truth - 2/2/25 By Pastor Chuck Baldwin https://youtu.be/N5u7fhKEi2g?si=WcD7sgNU5l9qRSl9
It is abhorrent and those Trump worshipers will soon find out that they will not be ruptured out of here, Repulsive evil people.
Absolutely 💯 💯 💯
I could and will say the same to you. Why wouldn’t a follower of Christ reference Gods Word? The issue is hermeneuticaland proper exegesis. That’s a flag to me right there. What’s the source of your truth or what is truth in general. Is truth absolute?
Retract the like as you are also a monster.
Nice John Taylor. I could care less about the thumb up/down. You don’t know me. I don’t know you. Should I respond in fashion? How about civility- after all, this is an economic forum, right?
Do as you wish no sweat off this one who values all life.
Right- except for Jews/Zionists and monsters like me. But I’m sure there’s no hypocrisy there. Doesn’t Greg say-“love, care and be charitable to one another.” The irony is so obtuse.
Get your facts straight buddy boy there's only Kharzarian zionists or Hebrews. Insults don't conform to Greg's "Love, care and be charitable to another."
That’s not true, but let’s go with your assumption / science. Do you value them as well. That whole Kharzari theory blew up long time ago. Fabricated
Trump had a meeting with his Zionist master.
He's being told what to do.
"Trump" is unfortunately in bed with those people....we shouldn't be there.
Expropriation without compensation is the American Way under Zion Don!
Theyll compensate, but not nearly enough. Thats what a scam is
Can't compensate the dead though, and they wouldn't even if they could
All part of his plan. Even his son in law, Jared Kushner, is quoted as saying that Gaza is really valuable waterfront property. Disgusting!
Demolished the Gaza strip to build beachfront property. Just like California (fires), and just like Lahaina (fires). Right in our faces. Like what you gonna do about it...nothing
When trump went to CA he only went to Palisades, apparently he didn’t even fly over Altadena. Maybe the incentive to go to CA was the arial view for scouting for west coast maralogo resort.
If correct, this is absolutely despicable. Who is advising him? He is becoming a fool that will end up being a dupe associated with the genocide the IDF has perpetrated. Worse yet, American troops will be patsies and attacked as the USS Liberty was. Of course this will put us on a direct course to support Israel in a war with Iran.
The peace president will be the genocide president. The good will he’s developed will disappear. Incredibly stupid.
Wasnt that the plan all along? Kill as many palestinians as you can. Reduce area to rubble. Build condos, US Israel.
Funny how Gaza was selected as a smart city several years ago.
Seems like Gaza is a “build back better” place.
Jan 2019
The Reality of Gaza Strip Cities towards the Smart City’s Concept. A Case Study: Khan Younis City
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/332039496_The_Reality_of_Gaza_Strip_Cities_towards_the_Smart_City's_Concept_A_Case_Study_Khan_Younis_City
Troops have been roaming the streets of Gaza for years. I really pity the Palestinians.
Lol he became a puppet of Israel.
False flag operation! There going to be war ! Extremely bad thing to do in the Muslim world ! I wonder how he’s going to play this one ! Will see
This is so demonic and evil that I have no words. Absolutely disgusting 🤮 I have read many opinions that he is the son of perdition. I believe it.
Wants Greenland, Canada, Panama canal, Gaza . Can you say dictator. Where is all this money coming from . And I don't know his best friends are all of sudden the billionaires. As Greg has said before they will own it all.
Hitler called it "Lebensraum". German for "living space".
https://www.cnn.com/2025/01/23/world/video/anders-vistisen-denmark-greenland-trump-ebof-digvid
Stay in your own lane USA.
Now he has really stepped into it.
The beginning of the Regional Jewish state at our expense.
Netti boy was beaming at news conference.
That made me sick seeing Netanyahu, that murderous, criminal, genocidal maniac with his shit-eating grin -- in our country!! Trump is an ass kowtowing to that POS. Israel is NOT our friend!! Remember the USS Liberty!!