Notice how China says the "root causes of the Ukraine conflict" must be addressed. Those ROOT causes are this nation and NATO continuing the arm and fund the n@zi cockroaches of western Ukraine. The US will NEVER publically admit its responsibility, ESPECIALLY with the DUPPY there.
His eyes is so Brown all he sees is b******* and all you are is a Lemming incapable of thought who you know how to do is parrot your jonestown leader. If things are so bad and the whole world's going to collapse why don't you and Mr b******* move out of the country
EVERYTHING that comes out of this administration is fake. The entire government is now just a giant propaganda machine. We get propaganda videos from the White House itself DAILY! Our Secretary of Defense is on Twitter talking tough to "adversaries" and puts out his own videos. It's fucking madness. And people just slurp it up.
This current back and forth, yes and no, on again off again Trump narrative truly boggles the mind. Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain. Life in OZ gets weirder by the day.
LOL, you are totally right on, I say the same on a daily basis, the individual is nothing but a quack, quack, mad minded individual for sure and gets weirder by the day, I LMAO when I read your comment, way to go.
Apparently the president forgot to give Greg all the details and wait for Greg's approval. I'm going to reach out to the president / Pope and make sure he understand the importance of getting Greg's approval before conducting policy.
Greg oh you mean like you?? Keeping watching the news buddy seems to be working out real good for you. TRUMP IS IN YOUR HEAD!!!!!! Its amazing to see the derangement going wild.
Greg lets MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!! What do you think
Ed. You and your fellow haters of truth and free speech. But go on, please... So we can all laugh at you. TDS, its all you got huh? AT LEAST TRY to be unique, creative, ANYTHING. Just like a parrot- TDS TDS TDS. Oh, its just to hysterical!!!! No substance, requires no IQ, just repeat, repeat, repeat. I have to ask. Did you have to work at being like this? Or did it just come naturally? I am curious...
I would encourage you to LEAVE your DELUSIONAL USSA 'news' BUBBLE, and start going to OTHER COUNTRY'S news sites, and start reading THEIR news.
If you have a browser, like Brave, it will automatically give you the TRANSLATE option, from 'whatever' to English, once you are on that foreign news site.
MMT Is Wrong about the History of the Origins of Money
"In short, the historical evidence vindicates Menger and vitiates the MMTers."
Quoth the Raven
May 8
READ IN APP
By Jonathan Newman, Mises Institute
Proponents of Modern Monetary Theory (MMT) think that money is a “creature of the state.” They say that money is whatever the state says it is, and that this is instituted primarily through taxation. For them, money is “that which [the state] accepts at public pay offices (mainly, in payment of taxes).”
MMTers dispute the Mengerian theory of the origins of money, saying that it “is based on false a-historical premises.” Carl Menger made the commonsense claim that before money, there must have been barter. In barter, people trade goods for direct use—they don’t use any good as a “bridge” or “medium” to get a different good that they actually want. You can imagine that getting what you want from the market could be very difficult. You have to find somebody who has what you want and, simultaneously, who wants what you have. This condition for voluntary exchange is called the “double coincidence of wants,” and it’s a severe constraint for direct exchange markets.
Menger posited that market participants in such a situation would notice that some goods are more “saleable” than others. You can buy corn or cotton and then resell it quickly for a minimal (or no) loss. But for other goods, like surgical instruments, it might take a long time to find a buyer—if you tried to sell surgical instruments quickly, you’d probably have to settle for a much lower price.
Market participants realize they can use more saleable goods as a step toward acquiring the goods they actually want for direct use. For example, you might bring surgical instruments to market, and intend to go home with a new toaster. Instead of going through the costly and time-consuming process of finding somebody who is selling a toaster and wants surgical instruments, you could more easily find somebody who wants surgical instruments and is willing to part with eggs, a more saleable good. Then you take the eggs to the person selling the toaster, and everyone lives happily ever after.
Eggs wouldn’t make the best money, so through a continuation of the process above, with trial and error and more and more people using one or two particular goods as a medium of exchange, we get money.
Photo: The Economist
Why MMTers Reject Menger’s Theory
The theory is straightforward and uncontroversial, unless you are an MMTer. If you are an MMTer, you need money to be the state’s rightful plaything. You need money to be the state’s property and responsibility, not the market’s. You need to be okay with the state debasing the money or printing up more paper for the sake of expropriating resources from the private market economy.
It’s no wonder they attack Menger’s theory so vehemently.
Instead of offering an alternative theory (the only “theory” on the origins of money I can find in their literature is a collection of assertions like “money is whatever the state collects in taxes”), MMTers point to historical case studies. One of their favorites is the clay cuneiform tablets from ancient Mesopotamia. Here’s what Randall Wray has to say about them:
The clay shubati (“received”) tablets record…debts. Each tablet indicated a quantity of grain, the word shubati, the name of the person from whom received, the name of the person by whom received, the date, and the seal of the receiver.… the “case tablets” could and did circulate. A debt could be cancelled and taxes paid by delivering a tablet recording another’s debt, whereupon the case which recorded the cancelled debt could be broken to verify the debt terms.
Wray doesn’t cite any translations or interpretations of these tablets, nor does he cite any specific archeological work. He only cites a like-minded economist, A. Mitchell Innes. Innes doesn’t cite any specific historical research on the tablets either. He just asserts that “they correspond to the medieval tally and to the modern bill of exchange” and that the tablets “no doubt passed from hand to hand.”
Money in the Ancient Near East
Instead of taking Wray and Innes at their word, I decided to check out what historians and archeologists of that period actually say about the tablets and the Mesopotamian economy. Here’s what I found:
As far as I can tell, virtually all historians of this period say that silver was used as money in pre-coinage Ancient Near East, not clay tablets. Regarding this consensus, Powell says:
Money, of course, did exist in ancient Mesopotamia.[…] Usage of terms like “money,” “currency,” “cash,” etc. by cuneiformists to describe silver is so ubiquitous in the literature of the last century and a half that, if money were not recorded in cuneiform documents, one would have to make the improbable inference that everyone who had used this term had entirely misunderstood the texts.
Rahmstorf provides a great overview of the archaeological evidence. He also agrees with the overwhelming consensus among historians of the period that silver was money. The dominance of “hacksilver” (broken pieces of silver) is so clear in the textual and archeological record that Rahmstorf questions whether coinage can really be considered a substantial monetary innovation. Silver was weighed in most transactions pre- and post-coinage, and coins appear in otherwise similar hacksilver hoards from before coins entered the scene. Thus, the monetary unit was clearly based on a weight of silver (e.g., the shekel and the mina).
Speaking of weight, Ialongo et al. showed that the pieces of silver in the hacksilver hoards corresponded to known standardized weights of the time and their multiples: “The results of the statistical analyses on a silver hoard from Ebla (Syria) strongly suggest that hacksilver in the Bronze Age Near East was shaped and/or fragmented in order to comply with the weight-systems that were in use in the trade networks where it circulated.”
Leemans said the tablets remained in the possession of those who received them—they were not used to transfer debts. Bonus: some of Leemans’ translations show that the ancient Mesopotamians used silver to calculate profit.
Taxes were not paid with the tablets, nor were they paid in silver. Taxes were paid in-kind, especially with livestock and grains. Sharlach said, “the transfers between the province and the crown were not ‘paper’ transactions…vast cargoes were in fact transported.” This means that the MMTers are doubly wrong: 1) regarding their claim that the tablets were used to pay taxes; and, 2) regarding their claim that taxes drive the demand for money. Silver was used as money but taxes were collected in-kind in the Ur III dynasty.
In the dozens of articles I read on the clay tablets, I found no mention that the tablets were money—no mention that the tablets were exchanged at all.
In short, the historical evidence vindicates Menger and vitiates the MMTers. The clay tablets were not an early fiat money. They were receipts that overwhelmingly showed people using silver as money—a commodity with non-monetary uses—just as we would expect based on Menger’s theory.
Greg I am sure you know a lot more about it than people that are experts in China politics and culture like Gordon Chang for example. Again Mr Negative everything is burning all the time. Yes I am prepared. Listening to doomers is a waste of time. I keep my eyes and heart with The Lord and pray Greg has his Faith put in Him
Notice how China says the "root causes of the Ukraine conflict" must be addressed. Those ROOT causes are this nation and NATO continuing the arm and fund the n@zi cockroaches of western Ukraine. The US will NEVER publically admit its responsibility, ESPECIALLY with the DUPPY there.
The United States has always been nato, but not anymore
GM calling bull 💩 when he sees the bull 💩 💯
Call Tommy pimp when are you and Mr b******* going to sell all your Bitcoin you know Mr b******* said it could be cut in half LOL
His eyes is so Brown all he sees is b******* and all you are is a Lemming incapable of thought who you know how to do is parrot your jonestown leader. If things are so bad and the whole world's going to collapse why don't you and Mr b******* move out of the country
Feed the plebs shit and keep them in the dark! While the Ruling Elite suck it all up!
EVERYTHING that comes out of this administration is fake. The entire government is now just a giant propaganda machine. We get propaganda videos from the White House itself DAILY! Our Secretary of Defense is on Twitter talking tough to "adversaries" and puts out his own videos. It's fucking madness. And people just slurp it up.
This current back and forth, yes and no, on again off again Trump narrative truly boggles the mind. Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain. Life in OZ gets weirder by the day.
LOL, you are totally right on, I say the same on a daily basis, the individual is nothing but a quack, quack, mad minded individual for sure and gets weirder by the day, I LMAO when I read your comment, way to go.
YES!! And the part I simply cannot abide is watching these simpletons be jerked around by the rings in their noses. 🐽
The White House has become "Kapuki Theater," comedy of the absurd.
Apparently the president forgot to give Greg all the details and wait for Greg's approval. I'm going to reach out to the president / Pope and make sure he understand the importance of getting Greg's approval before conducting policy.
Here is some true news!
The Noahide Laws Violator Guillotine Death Penalty Beheading:
https://rumble.com/v4tmzme-the-noahide-laws-violator-guillotine-death-penalty-beheading.-altyan-childs.html
We just entered the 4th year of this timeline in October of last year so get ready for "great tribulation" to commence in the spring of 2025!:
https://sumofthyword.com/2016/10/04/the-rapture-of-the-church-is-after-the-tribulation/
Greg oh you mean like you?? Keeping watching the news buddy seems to be working out real good for you. TRUMP IS IN YOUR HEAD!!!!!! Its amazing to see the derangement going wild.
Greg lets MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!! What do you think
It’s another pump and dump!
TDS Running wild again today... Greg you really need to get a new news feed. Listening to NBC, MSNBC and CNBC is not helping you.
Ed. You and your fellow haters of truth and free speech. But go on, please... So we can all laugh at you. TDS, its all you got huh? AT LEAST TRY to be unique, creative, ANYTHING. Just like a parrot- TDS TDS TDS. Oh, its just to hysterical!!!! No substance, requires no IQ, just repeat, repeat, repeat. I have to ask. Did you have to work at being like this? Or did it just come naturally? I am curious...
All these maga's bleeting TDS, like it's an actual argument, or rebuttal. I heard someone say those replying with TDS - have Trump Devotion Syndrome.
We get it Ed. You're afflicted with trump deification syndrome... 🧐😯😂🤣
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MMT Is Wrong about the History of the Origins of Money
"In short, the historical evidence vindicates Menger and vitiates the MMTers."
Quoth the Raven
May 8
READ IN APP
By Jonathan Newman, Mises Institute
Proponents of Modern Monetary Theory (MMT) think that money is a “creature of the state.” They say that money is whatever the state says it is, and that this is instituted primarily through taxation. For them, money is “that which [the state] accepts at public pay offices (mainly, in payment of taxes).”
MMTers dispute the Mengerian theory of the origins of money, saying that it “is based on false a-historical premises.” Carl Menger made the commonsense claim that before money, there must have been barter. In barter, people trade goods for direct use—they don’t use any good as a “bridge” or “medium” to get a different good that they actually want. You can imagine that getting what you want from the market could be very difficult. You have to find somebody who has what you want and, simultaneously, who wants what you have. This condition for voluntary exchange is called the “double coincidence of wants,” and it’s a severe constraint for direct exchange markets.
Menger posited that market participants in such a situation would notice that some goods are more “saleable” than others. You can buy corn or cotton and then resell it quickly for a minimal (or no) loss. But for other goods, like surgical instruments, it might take a long time to find a buyer—if you tried to sell surgical instruments quickly, you’d probably have to settle for a much lower price.
Market participants realize they can use more saleable goods as a step toward acquiring the goods they actually want for direct use. For example, you might bring surgical instruments to market, and intend to go home with a new toaster. Instead of going through the costly and time-consuming process of finding somebody who is selling a toaster and wants surgical instruments, you could more easily find somebody who wants surgical instruments and is willing to part with eggs, a more saleable good. Then you take the eggs to the person selling the toaster, and everyone lives happily ever after.
Eggs wouldn’t make the best money, so through a continuation of the process above, with trial and error and more and more people using one or two particular goods as a medium of exchange, we get money.
Photo: The Economist
Why MMTers Reject Menger’s Theory
The theory is straightforward and uncontroversial, unless you are an MMTer. If you are an MMTer, you need money to be the state’s rightful plaything. You need money to be the state’s property and responsibility, not the market’s. You need to be okay with the state debasing the money or printing up more paper for the sake of expropriating resources from the private market economy.
It’s no wonder they attack Menger’s theory so vehemently.
Instead of offering an alternative theory (the only “theory” on the origins of money I can find in their literature is a collection of assertions like “money is whatever the state collects in taxes”), MMTers point to historical case studies. One of their favorites is the clay cuneiform tablets from ancient Mesopotamia. Here’s what Randall Wray has to say about them:
The clay shubati (“received”) tablets record…debts. Each tablet indicated a quantity of grain, the word shubati, the name of the person from whom received, the name of the person by whom received, the date, and the seal of the receiver.… the “case tablets” could and did circulate. A debt could be cancelled and taxes paid by delivering a tablet recording another’s debt, whereupon the case which recorded the cancelled debt could be broken to verify the debt terms.
Wray doesn’t cite any translations or interpretations of these tablets, nor does he cite any specific archeological work. He only cites a like-minded economist, A. Mitchell Innes. Innes doesn’t cite any specific historical research on the tablets either. He just asserts that “they correspond to the medieval tally and to the modern bill of exchange” and that the tablets “no doubt passed from hand to hand.”
Money in the Ancient Near East
Instead of taking Wray and Innes at their word, I decided to check out what historians and archeologists of that period actually say about the tablets and the Mesopotamian economy. Here’s what I found:
As far as I can tell, virtually all historians of this period say that silver was used as money in pre-coinage Ancient Near East, not clay tablets. Regarding this consensus, Powell says:
Money, of course, did exist in ancient Mesopotamia.[…] Usage of terms like “money,” “currency,” “cash,” etc. by cuneiformists to describe silver is so ubiquitous in the literature of the last century and a half that, if money were not recorded in cuneiform documents, one would have to make the improbable inference that everyone who had used this term had entirely misunderstood the texts.
Rahmstorf provides a great overview of the archaeological evidence. He also agrees with the overwhelming consensus among historians of the period that silver was money. The dominance of “hacksilver” (broken pieces of silver) is so clear in the textual and archeological record that Rahmstorf questions whether coinage can really be considered a substantial monetary innovation. Silver was weighed in most transactions pre- and post-coinage, and coins appear in otherwise similar hacksilver hoards from before coins entered the scene. Thus, the monetary unit was clearly based on a weight of silver (e.g., the shekel and the mina).
Speaking of weight, Ialongo et al. showed that the pieces of silver in the hacksilver hoards corresponded to known standardized weights of the time and their multiples: “The results of the statistical analyses on a silver hoard from Ebla (Syria) strongly suggest that hacksilver in the Bronze Age Near East was shaped and/or fragmented in order to comply with the weight-systems that were in use in the trade networks where it circulated.”
Leemans said the tablets remained in the possession of those who received them—they were not used to transfer debts. Bonus: some of Leemans’ translations show that the ancient Mesopotamians used silver to calculate profit.
Taxes were not paid with the tablets, nor were they paid in silver. Taxes were paid in-kind, especially with livestock and grains. Sharlach said, “the transfers between the province and the crown were not ‘paper’ transactions…vast cargoes were in fact transported.” This means that the MMTers are doubly wrong: 1) regarding their claim that the tablets were used to pay taxes; and, 2) regarding their claim that taxes drive the demand for money. Silver was used as money but taxes were collected in-kind in the Ur III dynasty.
In the dozens of articles I read on the clay tablets, I found no mention that the tablets were money—no mention that the tablets were exchanged at all.
In short, the historical evidence vindicates Menger and vitiates the MMTers. The clay tablets were not an early fiat money. They were receipts that overwhelmingly showed people using silver as money—a commodity with non-monetary uses—just as we would expect based on Menger’s theory.
Good write up of course I agree with Carl Menger. This should be on it’s own thread IMHO
QTR has great stuff
Greg I am sure you know a lot more about it than people that are experts in China politics and culture like Gordon Chang for example. Again Mr Negative everything is burning all the time. Yes I am prepared. Listening to doomers is a waste of time. I keep my eyes and heart with The Lord and pray Greg has his Faith put in Him
"If it's headline news, it's all a ruse."
Yep